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Fleet Policy vs. the Second Amendment

October 29, 2012

by Mike Antich - Also by this author

A new issue has emerged, which is the clash of fleet policy with an employee’s right to carry a concealed weapon for self-protection. There are currently 18 states that provide a permit system for citizens to legally carry a concealed weapon in a personal vehicle while parked on company property. The states are Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, and Wisconsin.

For example, the Wisconsin law allows a permitted employee to keep a firearm in a personal vehicle, even if it is used for employment.

(NOTE: For our international readers, the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a U.S. citizen the constitutional right to lawfully possess and bear a firearm; however, various court rulings over the past two centuries have imposed certain restrictions.)

Employers have long banned guns from the workplace as part of a violence-prevention strategy, but those policies are being tested in states that have passed laws allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons. For instance, in the 2012 case Mitchell v. University of Kentucky, the Kentucky Supreme Court supported a wrongful termination claim by an employee of the university’s medical center who was fired for legally storing a weapon in his vehicle while on campus property.

This issue has already affected other fleet managers. One incident involved a major pizza chain. One of its drivers, who had a legal permit to carry a weapon, fired it in self-defense, killing an armed would-be robber. The driver faced no criminal charges because prosecutors determined he acted in self-defense. However, the company fired him for violating its no-weapon rule.

In another instance, a major document retrieval company fired an employee in Georgia for carrying a weapon in her car. The employee argued Georgia law does not prohibit an employee from carrying a firearm while on company business. The employee further argued she legally obtained a permit to carry the weapon for self-defense, the weapon was secured in her car in compliance with company policy, and she openly revealed she was carrying a weapon when going through a security gate while visiting a customer. The company’s counter-argument was that another employee was present in her car and it had a zero-tolerance policy for any action that could endanger employees or customers.

“These laws vary state by state, and a company would have to thoroughly examine the laws of a particular jurisdiction to determine the best policies for firearm regulations,” said Richard Alaniz, senior partner at Alaniz and Schraeder, a national labor and employment firm based in Houston. “In general, in states that have enacted firearms-in-the-workplace legislation, employers cannot prohibit an employee from lawfully storing a gun out of sight in a locked vehicle. Furthermore, employers generally cannot condition employment upon whether an individual has a concealed weapon permit.”

Second Amendment advocates argue that a corporate zero-tolerance policy violates employees’ legal rights. They further question whether a company negates its responsibility to protect employees when asking them to disarm. If a state allows concealed weapons, advocates contend that firing an employee (licensed to carry a firearm) because a gun is kept in the car while parked at work is grounds for a wrongful termination lawsuit.

There are also several gray areas, such as employees who work out of a home office where legal firearms may be kept. Would this be considered a violation of company policy? If a company allows employees to keep guns in their car while on its premises, what are the implications if that employee is asked by a manager to run an errand on company business? “Many of these issues do not have a clear legal answer, since firearm workplace laws are relatively new,” said Alaniz. The Texas firearm-in-the-workplace statute did not take effect until Sept. 11, 2011, and the statutes in Wisconsin and Utah took effect November 2011.

Proposals to Eliminate Employer Restrictions
Some companies have filed lawsuits to preserve their no-guns-allowed rules. For the most part, the courts are siding with these employers. Employers can ban guns inside the workplace as long as signs are posted, or employees are clearly informed that weapons are not allowed. However, some legislators are calling for new state laws that would take that ability away from employers. These legislators say companies should have less control over a person’s constitutional rights. They support legislation that would allow employees with proper gun permits to carry concealed weapons on the job, beyond the parking lot. These legislators argue employers are infringing on the rights of employees to protect themselves. These Second Amendment advocates are pushing for laws to make employers who ban guns liable if workers are injured in an attack on company property. “However, many states have statutes stating employers will not be civilly liable for damages arising out of an occurrence involving a firearm transported or stored pursuant to law,” said Alaniz.

Since laws vary by state, this is a very complex issue that could potentially get even more complicated with the passage of new laws. As the fleet manager, how should you codify your company’s position in fleet policy so it is uniform and is not construed as a violation of an employee’s constitutional rights? This might be a good time to talk with HR and corporate legal counsel.

Let me know what you think.

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  1. 1. Aaron [ October 30, 2012 @ 05:29AM ]

    There are far more than 18 states with CCW permitting. You didn't include mine, Wyoming, nor Virginia - both of which allow concealed carry without a permit AND have permitting processes to comply with other states when traveling. In all, there are actually 24 states with CCW permits, most with "shall issue" laws requiring them to be available without special law enforcement signoffs.

  2. 2. Kurt [ November 01, 2012 @ 03:15AM ]

    I have often wondered why the place where I sleep 250-300 nights a year I am not allowed to have a firearm for my protection. I spend more nights per in the truck sleeper than I do my home.

  3. 3. Jim [ November 06, 2012 @ 09:51AM ]

    What could possibly go wrong if employees were allowed to carry guns into their workplace?

  4. 4. Steve Kibler [ November 06, 2012 @ 01:08PM ]

    Mike, this is a subject from you that surprised me. Even the US Supreme Court dances away from this one. You must be hoping for a record numer of responses. It's simple, why carry a gun when a 911 call will bring the Police in approximately 8 minutes... An armed robber would wait.

  5. 5. Joseph Morrison [ February 20, 2016 @ 11:57AM ]

    Steve it us every Americans citizen that is a non felon rite to carry a weapon/firearm to defend themselfs. In the instance of calling the police and waiting this lie you stated with confidence of 8 min is stupid. The response varies majorly very rarely does anyone call the police in prevention of someone trying to take someone's life. In the case of armed robbery why wait your lie of 8 min to be protected when you can and have the rite to defend you self all the time.

  6. 6. Leigh [ October 03, 2016 @ 08:47PM ]

    So my issue is this.. I have a company car as my sole vehicle and my company has stated that we cannot carry firearms in our vehicles or in the trunk. How are we supposed to go to a firing range to practice and/or obtain a permit to carry while running? Uber does not allow passengers to carry either.

  7. 7. Ben Kenobi [ January 14, 2017 @ 05:01AM ]

    Well screw these policies. Dose the company provide you with an armed gaurd at all times? No? Then they can kiss your butt.

    Ive talked to Truckers who have Transported Trailers full of firearms (rare but it happens) and the company policy was that they were not allowed to have guns. Those trucking companies can fuq off.

    If you ever get caught you can get another job. There are Company Owners who are pro second amendment and not completely stupid when it comes to the safety of their employees. Getting fired for violating a companies no gun policy would be a plus to them.

    Armored Car drivers have bullet proof vests and guns issued to them and SOME of the things that are transported via Truck are very very it is really stupid to try to ban truckers from having guns in the truck. Only a complete idiot would have a no firearms policy for their truckers.

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